Oak Island Treasure Revelations

[tamrock]

Has there been any studies on the effects to any of the flora and fauna from all that construction, swamp draining, excavating, dumping and other nonsense that been going on there on that island? Seems to me it could be a cause for alarm by these environmentalists.

 

[chalkoutline]

You made me laugh with than one

This analogy may help members understand why i found OI Sages reply humorous...

The police arrests a man for robbing a jewelry store because earlier that day he was heard arguing with the store owner and swore he would get even.

The case goes all the way to the Supreme Court and during oral arguments, one Justice asks...HOW can you prosecute this man because he has an alibi?

The Prosecutor replies...i see your Honor you are dealing with analysis paralysis; the HOW is not important, you need to focus on the WHY?

You can't have a WHY without a HOW?

 

[Oak Island Sage]

You made me laugh with than one

Happy days as we say in England , or cool as you say in the USA.

How much would a treasure have to be worth for the handling costs to include 180 foot burial, retrieval digging, ocean crossing travel x2, and whatever else was involved?


Pick a time in history when this supposedly occurred and explain what world riches could have possibly been involved.


Not that I'm skeptical or anything.

If I tell you how to find your answers I'll get a slap.😟

Oak Island Sage

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Has there been any studies on the effects to any of the flora and fauna from all that construction, swamp draining, excavating, dumping and other nonsense that been going on there on that island? Seems to me it could be a cause for alarm by these environmentalists.

Hi tamrock I can assure you that the searcher have a wheelbarrow of different permits to adhere to and very strict controls are still very much in place. To give you an example Fred Nolan the deceased treasure hunter once drained the old triangular pond on his land into the sea, unfortunately he did that without first obtaining the appropriate permit. He was heavily fined and banned from excavating anywhere in Nova Scotia for a long period, and subsequently his business suffered very badly, due to the ensuing scandal he became a recluse for some time.
I don't know why those early restrictions appear to have have been relaxed but that triangular shaped pond has been destroyed, and after heavy rain the whole central valley becomes one big lake.
Any water that enters into excavations has to be pumped a great distance away on the surface in the woods but not directly in the sea, don't ask me why they won't permit that because it doesn't make any sense to me either.
I think maybe those people in the echelons of power are allowing the seekers as much latitude as they can, that is because if they do eventually find the treasure it will represent a massage boost for Nova Scotia and Canada and all sins will be forgiven, or, to put it another way, the end justifies the means.

Oak Island Sage

 

[Oak Island Sage]

This analogy may help members understand why i found OI Sages reply humorous...

The police arrests a man for robbing a jewelry store because earlier that day he was heard arguing with the store owner and swore he would get even.

The case goes all the way to the Supreme Court and during oral arguments, one Justice asks...HOW can you prosecute this man because he has an alibi?

The Prosecutor replies...i see your Honor you are dealing with analysis paralysis; the HOW is not important, you need to focus on the WHY?

You can't have a WHY without a HOW?

Hi chalkoutline the prosecutor said, "the HOW is not important, you need to focus on the WHY" I rest my case.
Oak Island Sage

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Hi chalkoutline the prosecutor said, "the HOW is not important, you need to focus on the WHY" I rest my case.
Oak Island Sage

News Flash!!!! The partners of Cerca Trova have just rejected my 2025 offer to assist them and yet again I am considered to be superfluous to their future plans. This might please the people who doubted me but it is a sad time for the rest. If the present searchers can retrieve the treasure themselves then they deserve it, they have certainly put the work in.
If I continue to post on Treasure Net it is not for any more promotional reasons but to continue to try to make some intelligent people aware of what an unknown mining engineer ingeniously designed in about 1695 as a illicit top secret project. This is a subterranean system of deep shafts linked with tunnels that used a trapped air lock procedure to protect an under sea level repository, this store contained a vast amount of accumulated treasure. The design was brilliant because when danger threatened the mines protection process could be activated (flooded) with no loss of life in a few minutes, and when it became necessary they deliberately left it booby trapped. How much treasure is down there? oh about a billion pounds worth today.
An argument is when two people believe they are right, that doesn't apply to me, I know I am right.
I love the sound of grated teeth. 😉

Oak Island Sage

 

[chalkoutline]

I love the sound of grated teeth. 😉

If you're referring to me, my miscalculation actually doesn't matter in the least because it had to do with digging a vertical shaft 100ft deep without cribbing. I've disproved this approach on numerous occasions. The last was yesterday regarding two layers of Lawrencetown till at 100ft and 154ft.

If you were to find evidence that proves its possible without cribbing, i still wouldn't grate my teeth but rather congratulate you on your success.

But until you do, your subterranean system is not plausible since they couldn't get down there without cribbing!

 

[Oak Island Sage]

If you're referring to me, my miscalculation actually doesn't matter in the least because it had to do with digging a vertical shaft 100ft deep without cribbing. I've disproved this approach on numerous occasions. The last was yesterday regarding two layers of Lawrencetown till at 100ft and 154ft.

If you were to find evidence that proves its possible without cribbing, i still wouldn't grate my teeth but rather congratulate you on your success.

But until you do, your subterranean system is not plausible since they couldn't get down there without cribbing!

Hi chalkoutline, I was was not being facetious or referring to you, or your personal opinion regarding the construction of the Money Pit. Let me please assure you that I never criticise other peoples theories, one because it's impolite and two because can't prove some of my own.
I appreciate that you are trying to establish how the Money Pit was constructed with or without cribbing. According google the later is required based on modern techniques and current mining methods regarding the excavation of deep shafts. It is clear that you are perhaps an engineer who is concentrating on obtaining precise details, and what you perceive to be apparent flaws in what you read about old reports and the opinion of others. The original miners had no health and safety regulation to adhere to but they knew their business.

Whether or not the miners used cribbing is actually irrelevant unless you doubt that Money Pit was ever constructed to a depth of approximately 180ft. If you rely on Google and you have decided that log platforms let into the walls of the shaft on niches is not a feasible method because modern experts have said so, then allow me please to remind you of something relevant.

Modern scientist have proclaimed that the tiny wings of a common bumblebee are too small to generate the power required for it to fly.
Psssst please keep that to yourself or we will have bees crash diving all over the place. 😄
Oak Island Sage

 

[chalkoutline]

According google the later is required based on modern techniques and current mining methods regarding the excavation of deep shafts.

I already mentioned, if you are using google ai, you have to enter pre-1700 methods. You will get the same answer...you need cribbing.
You have to go back to 2500BC where cribbing was not

. If you rely on Google and you have decided that log platforms let into the walls of the shaft on niches is not a feasible method

Actually, google ai has nothing to say about log platforms which is why i conducted my own research/diagrams which i posted. As it turns out, log platforms is a viable solution if you have "stiff clay". In Nova Scotia it is called Lawrencetown till. Unfortunately, oak island is not made up of stiff clay but rather clayish till. There were two layers of still clay found in the MP at 100ft and 154ft so you would need to use cribbing to get there.

If your theory requires no cribbing, than you should look for an island that is made up of stiff clay where cribbing is not needed.

OR
If the MP is not where the mine/treasure is located, you may find cribbing was used when you dig/explore that location.

 

[Carl-NC]

Modern scientist have proclaimed that the tiny wings of a common bumblebee are too small to generate the power required for it to fly.

Did they? This is often tossed out by people who would like to disparage science as a whole, especially when they are promoting their own non-scientific ideas. The reality is that a scientist once showed, using conventional airfoil aerodynamics, that bees cannot glide. And they can't. Here is a good summary of this myth.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

I already mentioned, if you are using google ai, you have to enter pre-1700 methods. You will get the same answer...you need cribbing.
You have to go back to 2500BC where cribbing was not

. If you rely on Google and you have decided that log platforms let into the walls of the shaft on niches is not a feasible method

Actually, google ai has nothing to say about log platforms which is why i conducted my own research/diagrams which i posted. As it turns out, log platforms is a viable solution if you have "stiff clay". In Nova Scotia it is called Lawrencetown till. Unfortunately, oak island is not made up of stiff clay but rather clayish till. There were two layers of still clay found in the MP at 100ft and 154ft so you would need to use cribbing to get there.

If your theory requires no cribbing, than you should look for an island that is made up of stiff clay where cribbing is not needed.

OR
If the MP is not where the mine/treasure is located, you may find cribbing was used when you dig/explore that location.

Hi Chalkoutline, there is no way of knowing if cribbing was used at some point in the construction of the Money Pit, so if you can't personally except the old records and illustrations that show that no cribbing was used then I can't comment, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion.
If the earliest recorded records go back to 2500BC then it logically follows that by 1695 it was obviously a well known procedure. A Cornish pick was found in the Money Pit which suggest that experienced Cornish Miners were employed, they would know how to deal with unstable walls and they would have used cribbing if they thought it necessary in some sections. The niches might have much deeper and the logs much longer, who knows we were not there but one thing for certain is - they did it.
You may of course have your own doubts as to whether it was done at all, or perhaps to the depth that was claimed. The modern searcher's can't even find the Money Pit now, and most of the logs on the lower platforms were later rendered superflous to requirements and were probably brought up to be used elsewhere, consequently we will never know for certain what methods they used.
Oak Island sage

 

[chalkoutline]

A Cornish pick was found in the Money Pit which suggest that experienced Cornish Miners were employed, they would know how to deal with unstable walls and they would have used cribbing if they thought it necessary in some sections.

You're right! Conish miners knew how to dig deep vertical shafts without cribbing...IN ROCK!

Google AI
Yes, Cornish miners in the 18th and 19th centuries possessed the skill to sink vertical shafts without immediate or continuous timber cribbing (or "setting") by exploiting the strength of solid, competentr ROCK.

 

[chalkoutline]

You're right! Conish miners knew how to dig deep vertical shafts without cribbing...IN ROCK!

Google AI
Yes, Cornish miners in the 18th and 19th centuries possessed the skill to sink vertical shafts without immediate or continuous timber cribbing (or "setting") by exploiting the strength of solid, competentr ROCK.

OI Sage,
Clearly, your treasure theory is dependent on digging deep vertical shafts without cribbing in the clayish till of Oak Island.

So like i said in the past, i encourage you to find definitive proof, evidence and sources that it can be done in clayish till...not, stiff clay, not rock but CLAYISH till and i will congratulate you on your hard work and determination.
Until then your theory is not plausible.

Im tired of this discussion and most members following this thread.

 

[Oak Island Sage]

Did they? This is often tossed out by people who would like to disparage science as a whole, especially when they are promoting their own non-scientific ideas. The reality is that a scientist once showed, using conventional airfoil aerodynamics, that bees cannot glide. And they can't. Here is a good summary of this myth.

Hi Carl-NC, thank you for clarifying the myth. I must admit I that I didn't look deeper into that statement and I stand corrected.
When a hawk can fly, hover and even glide to save energy it seems that the poor hard working bee has been given a raw deal by mother nature.

 

[chalkoutline]

If the earliest recorded records go back to 2500BC then it logically follows that by 1695 it was obviously a well known procedure.

BTW, this statement is built on a false assumption that earth in 2500bc is the same as Oak Island.

The Neolithic era was from 3500bc to 2500bc which is the time of Sumarians where the soil content is clay and why they built their building using clay bricks mixed with water, sand and organic material for strength.

I know this because i rearched summarian brick making when i debunked your hypothesis that pot belly stoves to bake the walls of the shaft.

As civilization moved to different parts of they world, the earth beneath there feet was not clay and they had to turned to cribbing!!!!

Its all about the soil content in the area and has nothing to do with the year.

 

[releventchair]

If you're referring to me, my miscalculation actually doesn't matter in the least because it had to do with digging a vertical shaft 100ft deep without cribbing. I've disproved this approach on numerous occasions. The last was yesterday regarding two layers of Lawrencetown till at 100ft and 154ft.

If you were to find evidence that proves its possible without cribbing, i still wouldn't grate my teeth but rather congratulate you on your success.

But until you do, your subterranean system is not plausible since they couldn't get down there without cribbing!

O.I.S.:
I'd strongly consider buying a ticket to watch you dig 100 ft. deep using a Cornish pick without cribbing.
(With a couple side wagers that probably wouldn't cheer you .)

 

[chalkoutline]

I'd strongly consider buying a ticket to watch you dig 100 ft. deep using a Cornish pick without cribbing.
(With a couple side wagers that probably wouldn't cheer you .)

Im a pro cribbing guy. Maybe Oak Island Sage should give it try since he's the one who thinks it's possible.

 

[Carl-NC]

There is a big difference between the east and west sides of OI. I've read about this somewhere, but I'm lazy so I'll just quote AI which matches what I recall:

• Eastern Side (Money Pit Area): This area features a drumlin with soil conditions characterized by limestone and anhydrite (a calcium sulfate mineral). The geology here includes "Lawrencetown" till, a mix of roughly 50% sand, 30% silt, and 20% clay. The bedrock is composed of Mississippian Windsor Group limestone and gypsum. This area is prone to water infiltration, forming cavities below sea level.
• Western Side (Western Drumlin): The western drumlin has different, harder characteristics. It features deeper zones that were glacially compressed into schist and slate. The side-wall soil in this area contains higher amounts of clay.

With that much sand & silt and so little clay, there is no way you could dig an un-cribbed 100-ft deep shaft on the east side with any expectation of survival. The west side is another story, so at a minimum it would be possible. But there is zero evidence anyone ever did that, so there is plenty of deniable plausibility. A low frequency GPR scan would quickly put this to rest.

 

[chalkoutline]

There is a big difference between the east and west sides of OI. I've read about this somewhere, but I'm lazy so I'll just quote AI which matches what I recall:

• Eastern Side (Money Pit Area): This area features a drumlin with soil conditions characterized by limestone and anhydrite (a calcium sulfate mineral). The geology here includes "Lawrencetown" till, a mix of roughly 50% sand, 30% silt, and 20% clay. The bedrock is composed of Mississippian Windsor Group limestone and gypsum. This area is prone to water infiltration, forming cavities below sea level.
• Western Side (Western Drumlin): The western drumlin has different, harder characteristics. It features deeper zones that were glacially compressed into schist and slate. The side-wall soil in this area contains higher amounts of clay.

With that much sand & silt and so little clay, there is no way you could dig an un-cribbed 100-ft deep shaft on the east side with any expectation of survival. The west side is another story, so at a minimum it would be possible. But there is zero evidence anyone ever did that, so there is plenty of deniable plausibility. A low frequency GPR scan would quickly put this to rest.

Agreed.
Here's more...
The Lawrencetown till on the eastern side of Oak Island is present in layers, rather than being a single, uniform mass.

• Thickness: On the eastern end of the island, these drumlin deposits are at their thickest, lying on top of bedrock (anhydrite/gypsum/limestone).

IOW, the Lawrencetown till is also very deep.
Reports of two layers found in the MP were at depths of 100 and 154ft.

 

[releventchair]

Im a pro cribbing guy. Maybe Oak Island Sage should give it try since he's the one who thinks it's possible.

Ouch. You should feel as if randomly struck out of nowhere... (Sorry.)

P.s. . My hands don't hardly fit a pick. So I can't help him except for holding side bets.